Kodak film deal has died.

[lord_rover]

Hi all,

just had a peek at Wittner's website. It appears they've started selling raw Super8 material in 400ft rolls as well! This includes K40, Fuji negative and Orwo for the moment being.

Regards,

Alex

[supermag400_inventor]

They've been selling it for years. It's just been only by special order.
I have been in contact with them and they're interested in selling Supermags and daylight disks with film for it on their site as well.

Andec will most likely the same as well.

[matt5791]

The only viable way for you to make a sucess of your mag is if the film is cheaper than in the carts - I really can't imagine that there could be enough demand generated from just the possibility of extra running time.

And don't forget the mag detracts from two of the key advantages of the Super8 system - ease of loading and compact design.

As soon as you add the mag people are going to ask why don't I just use 16mm? The ONLY way to answer that question in YOUR favour is if it is cheaper to go S8 with your mag.

You are taking away these two features so you HAVE to offer a new benefit and that has to be monetary. Don't forget that the customer has to also pay for the mag itself.

Film at 50 cents a foot sounds like a utter joke - and I don't blame Kodak because this must be a specialist order.

I would say that slitting the film down from 35mm is probably the only viable option, because 50 cents a foot (or 40 or 30 for that matter) is a non starter - the use of 16mm would be a no-brainer.

Matt

[Carlos 8mm]

The only viable way for you to make a sucess of your mag is if the film is cheaper than in the carts - I really can't imagine that there could be enough demand generated from just the possibility of extra running time.

I would say that slitting the film down from 35mm is probably the only viable option, because 50 cents a foot (or 40 or 30 for that matter) is a non starter - the use of 16mm would be a no-brainer.

I agree.

There is a hi-def B&W negative film stock named BlueFire Police (Tura- film from Germany). It can be processed as reversal too.

Frugal Photographer sells this film in 35 mm perforated an unperforated 16mm 100 ft rolls. The price is very affordable:

http://www.frugalphotographer.com/catBluefire.htm

[timdrage]

I agree that you definitely need to find a way to supply film economically, and/or supply film stocks not otherwise avaliable...

Bluefire Police film looks like it would be amazing...

I think the best thing for the supermag would be if you could either get a slitter/perforator made, or get together with someone else who has one, and make your own stock this way at the cheapest possible price!.... and expecially offer the option of allowing customers to supply their own 35/16mm (?) stock for slitting for a fee.... this way people could use unusual/specialist stocks in super-8, and also make economical use of any cheap film deals, short ends, etcc they personally may have access too. I think these factors would definitely add some value to the supermag over cartridges by making possible something not normally avaliable to the format...

[monobath]

Paul Cotto said he has a lab splitter. I'm not sure what that means (the "lab" part) but it sounds neat. Maybe heavy duty and accurate? So at the minimum, DS8 stock like Fomapan could be slit down to two strands of S8.

Now, Dave just needs a raw DS8 filmstock deal with Foma, right? I suggest approaching J&C Photo, as they have a good relationship with Foma already.

[Shion]

Film at 50 cents a foot sounds like a utter joke - and I don't blame Kodak because this must be a specialist order.

I agree in principle, and do not feel that Kodak are in any way obliged to charge any less- or to offer the film in this form at all.

That said, I'm puzzled as to why it is THAT expensive. If I'm not mistaken, Kodak are simply supplying Dave with the same 2400' lengths they mass-produce the film in anyway. I would have thought it would cost them far less to supply film in this form than to cut it and package it into cartridges- even when you add in a premium for it being a special order.

Anyway, I feel that even though this Kodak arrangement might not work out, the Supermag has a decent chance of surviving. It's great to hear that Andec and Wittner are interested in supporting it in Europe.

Out of curiosity... is the frame between the perforations of 35mm stock large enough to extract 3 x 8mm strips from perforated 35mm stock? Or only 2? If a custom machine were to be made, something that works with standard 400' 35mm lengths strikes me as the simplest solution... but I think you'd need to be able to get 3 strips out of it for this to be an economical approach. (Of course, 4 strips from unperfed stock would be even better, but the simplicity of obtaining standard 400' perfed 35mm lengths might outweigh this.)

-Bon

[supermag400_inventor]

The ideal solution would be to use 5 inch unperforated production films and get more strips of super 8. However, it's getting it, that's the problem.

Here is a clip of the Supermag working, for those who wish to see it.

http://www.supermag400.com/South%20Mountain.htm

[Shion]

The ideal solution would be to use 5 inch unperforated production films and get more strips of super 8. However, it's getting it, that's the problem.

Yeah, that's what made me think the 35mm might be an easier starting point... plus it might be a simpler machine/workflow, especially if 400' lengths are used.

Well, as far as I can tell from this page, the 35mm frame is wide enough to extract 3 strips. I'm guessing this is how Pro8's system works... anyone know for sure?

-Bon

[S8 Booster]

they split my fuji f500 122m/400 ft 35mm and ended up with approx 24x15m/50ft carts. they informed me that not all carts were full lenght though. should work out to 3x8mm strips. approx 360m.

[teadub]

For some reason all I can hear is Ralph..."Ha-Ha"

Good Luck

That's Nelson. Ralph is the kid with his finger always in his nose. Ya'know, Wiggum's kid.

[Evan Kubota]

"It says, 'I choo-choo-choose you!"

Ralph Wiggum eats glue. Nelson (does he have a last name?) is the kid from the broken home. Classic quote:

"Ha-ha! (to himself) Hey... that hurts."

[paulcotto]

5" would be nice but then you are back to a custom order with Kodak and at their mercy. 3 strip 8mm, or DS8 from 35mm to me is the only reliable solution.

Paul Cotto

The ideal solution would be to use 5 inch unperforated production films and get more strips of super 8. However, it's getting it, that's the problem.

Here is a clip of the Supermag working, for those who wish to see it.

http://www.supermag400.com/South%20Mountain.htm

[supermag400_inventor]

I agree with you Paul. The problem is getting those films. However, Fuji does sell un-perforated 35 mm film. That's what I was told. I'm trying to find out where to get it.

If I can't get that, then the only logical choice is to go to standard 35mm film and re-per it and cut the three stips of super 8 from that. But with un-perforated 35, you'd get one more strip. Maximum value for the buck.

[Ralph S]

Ralph Wiggum eats glue. Nelson (does he have a last name?) is the kid from the broken home.

Nelson Muntz