What is the current status of re-perforated D/R 8mm film?

[Nicholas Kovats]

eskinazi!

Will Mr Nowill have the capability of reperfing single perf 16mm stocks????

[carllooper]

My Bolex tech just updated me with the current frame dimension, i.e. 10.52mm x 3.75mm (2.80:1) with associated viewfinder masking still to be determined....potentially with the classic Cinemascope aspect ratio 1:2.4

Conventional scans of UP8 don't make full use of typically available sensor areas.

An alternative idea, particularly when targeting cinemascope anamorphic projection, is to scan UP8 using an anamorphic lens. The resulting scan could then approach the same pixel dimensions as a 2K cinemascope target: 1828 x 1556. Even when not targeting a cinemascope print, anamorphic scanning would yield better results as it would increase the vertical resolution of the scan by two.

I did a quick test using a Rodenstock Rodagon Enlarger lens, coupled with an Iscomorphot S8/2X anamorphic lens, and was able to get a good clean mapping of the UP8 frame area to the desired digital sensor area.

Shown below is the relative digital scaling required when targeting a 2K 35mm CINEMASCOPE PRINT (1828 x 1556) given the 2K ULTRAPAN8 scan done in the inaugural shoot. As can be seen the height of the digital scan must be digitally scaled up by a factor of 2 before printing to 35mm film. By using an anamorphic lens during scanning, you would avoid this digital scaling, yielding greater fidelity in the result.

[Nicholas Kovats]

Carl,

What is the source for this UP8 film?

[carllooper]

Carl, What is the source for this UP8 film?

I downloaded a jpeg frame posted on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/27074208

[Nicholas Kovats]

A most impressive anamorphic scanning test, Carl! Great work.

For some reason your original text was never prepended to the attached images. You will have original UP8 scanned footage soon enough to farther your ongoing tests.

I also have a forthcoming UP8 announcement which may or may not be ready by tomorrow.

[carllooper]

I also have a forthcoming UP8 announcement which may or may not be ready by tomorrow.

Jacques Derrida introduces an idea in one his last works called "messianism", which he borrows from Jewish mysticism, but it's messianism without the messiah. The idea is that one cultivate an appreciation towards tomorrow (such as a uptopia, a second coming, the arrival of extraterrestrials, some revelation, etc.) but without any requirement for the anticipated or expected event taking place.

For example, a trailer for a movie in which there is no movie. Or Close Encounters of the Third Kind without the final scene. Or Frankenfurter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show 'ending' his song with:

"So come up to the lab, And see what's on the slab, I see you shiver with antici."

What is more important to Derrida is not the content of any anticipated event but the anticipation itself. Derrida is positing a sense of optimism, promise, hope, but without any requirement for the actual objects or targets of those things needing to exist or occur. An indefinite deferal. Deferance. The cat remains alive or dead indefinitely.

So whether a forthcoming announcement regarding UP8 occurs tomorrow, another day, or even if it never takes place, one can still appreciate the announcement of that forthcoming announcement.

For some reason your original text was never prepended to the attached images.

I have a habit of going back and editing my posts over and over until the system won't let me edit them any more.

[Muckymuck]

Is there anywhere in the UK or Europe that will process reperfed ECN-2 colour neg Standard 8 in 25ft loads?

Ditto telecine, and what's the cheapest?

Many thanks!

[Muckymuck]

Slightly OT, what's the current status of Fomapan in Standard 8? I recall reading somewhere that it would be returning in 2012, but Silverprint in London still don't have it.

Also, is the 500T neg that the Widescreen Centre used to stock still available anywhere in Standard 8? Edit: By that I mean fresh 500T, not the ancient stuff that's floating about.

There used to be a Standard8.org resource, but I take it that's disappeared seeing as all I get is unrelated advert pages when I try it now. Is there a list anywhere of the currently available Standard 8 stocks and where to get them, that's up to date? If not, perhaps we could start one here as a sticky post?

[MIKI-814]

Slightly OT, what's the current status of Fomapan in Standard 8? I recall reading somewhere that it would be returning in 2012, but Silverprint in London still don't have it.

It is fully available time ago, for example in Wittner and other common shops.

[Nicholas Kovats]

Excuse the double post but this info is relevant to this thread.

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Gentleman,

This is a current list of Kodak 16mm stock with Winding B 2R-2994 which qualify for Mr. Edward Nowill's reperforation services , i.e. 16mm 2R-2994 to R8mm 2R-1497 as utilized by R8 and UP8 formats.

a.) Catalog schema -> 2R (2x perf) 2994 (pitch in 1/1000 inch).
b.) It must be B Wind stock.
c.) 2011 Kodak catalog source -> http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploaded ... 5_2011.pdf

1. KODAK VISION3 500T Color Negative Film 7219
cat# min order net unit net price effective date
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1240761 1 1-+ 37.57 03/05/2010
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1908789 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1270982 1 1-+ 146.18 03/05/2010

2. KODAK VISION3 250D Color Negative Film 7207
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool 2R-2994 8110298 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010

3. KODAK VISION3 200T Color Negative Film 7213
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 8765612 18 1-+ 37.57 05/26/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1102680 1 1-+ 146.18 05/26/2010

4. KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 7285
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core, (Type R) / 2R-1497 8679318 20 1-+ 141.92 11/08/2006

5. KODAK TRI-X Reversal Film 7266
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-1497 8751935 5 1-+ 86.69 02/02/2010

6. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 3242 (ESTAR Base)
SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1347293 6 1-+ 669.53 03/01/2002

7. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 7242
35 mm with 16 mm perforations
SP452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1791284 2 1-+ 365.28 03/01/2002
SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1689488 2 1-+ 608.80 03/01/2002

8. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 3272 (ESTAR Base)
CIT452 / ESTAR Base / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 8392490 2 1-+ 1,030.90 02/15/2009

9. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 7272
CIT452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1020718 1 1-+ 618.54 02/15/2009

10. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 3234 (ESTAR Base)
FDN452 / ESTAR Base / 16 mm x 1000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 8471534 10 1-+ 187.53 02/15/2009

11. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 5234 / 7234
FDN452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1959766 2 1-+ 375.06 02/15/2009

I may or may not have an announcement specific to UP8 as per upcoming tests.

[Nicholas Kovats]

My apologies to Mr. Nowill.

Here is a revised list absent the 3x Kodak Estar (Polyestar) based films. I just figured out the Kodak coding signifying acetate based films, i.e.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... ilm_stocks

"Eastman Kodak

In films from 1950 on, the first 2 digits (the prefix) of the 4-digit emulsion number identify the gauge and base of film[7]:

Prefix Description
52 Acetate-base 35 mm (or larger) camera film
53 Acetate-base 35 mm (or larger) lab/print film
72 Acetate-base 16 mm or 8 mm camera film
73 Acetate-base 16 mm or 8 mm lab/print film

Fuji list forthcoming.

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Gentleman,

This is a current list of Kodak 16mm stock with Winding B 2R-2994 which qualify for Mr. Edward Nowill's reperforation services , i.e. 16mm 2R-2994 to R8mm 2R-1497 as utilized by R8 and UP8 formats.

a.) Catalog schema -> 2R (2x perf) 2994 (pitch in 1/10000 inch).
b.) It must be B Wind stock re: 16mm stock.
c.) It must be acetate based designated by 72xx/73xx prefix re: 16mm stock.

2011 Kodak catalog source -> http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploaded ... 5_2011.pdf

1. KODAK VISION3 500T Color Negative Film 7219
cat# min order net unit net price effective date
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1240761 1 1-+ 37.57 03/05/2010
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1908789 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1270982 1 1-+ 146.18 03/05/2010

2. KODAK VISION3 250D Color Negative Film 7207
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool 2R-2994 8110298 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010

3. KODAK VISION3 200T Color Negative Film 7213
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 8765612 18 1-+ 37.57 05/26/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1102680 1 1-+ 146.18 05/26/2010

4. KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 7285
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core, (Type R) / 2R-1497 8679318 20 1-+ 141.92 11/08/2006

5. KODAK TRI-X Reversal Film 7266
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-1497 8751935 5 1-+ 86.69 02/02/2010

6. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 7242
35 mm with 16 mm perforations
SP452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1791284 2 1-+ 365.28 03/01/2002
SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1689488 2 1-+ 608.80 03/01/2002

7. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 7272
CIT452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1020718 1 1-+ 618.54 02/15/2009

8. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 5234 / 7234
FDN452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1959766 2 1-+ 375.06 02/15/2009