Introducing myself

Post by **ronnoco** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:59 pm

Hello

This is my first post and its just to introduce myself to the forum.

Firstly I have been avidly scouring the posts for months now and I have enjoyed every minute...the depth of knowledge of you guys is awesome and I know exactly where to come if I need help with anything super 8...just fantastic

I have had a little Eumig camera for years and shot quite a few little films over the years...mostly home movie stuff. However my interest in the medium of super 8 has recently taken off big time. I wanted a better camera and looked to ebay, after doing my homework, to acquire a good un !

I think I got lucky and picked up a pristine Canon 1014 XL-S....all functions working and a few extras with it .

I also could not resist a Minolta Autopak-8 D6 with intervalometer and remote cord for pennies..again pristine condition.

I have recently secured funding to set up a 'film club' in the high school where I teach and I am excited at the prospect of getting the kids involved in producing their own films...the club is already over subscribed...so there is plenty of interest from the kids ..which is great.

Maybe down the line a bit I will be able to host some of their efforts for you guys to look at...hopefully :?

Anyway as I said I know where to come if we run into difficulties....

Sound wise I am going to experiment with 'wild sync' using an Art Promix mic mixer and mini disc....see how we get on with it...but I need to purchase a reasonably good mic and was wondering if any of you guys could point me in the right direction...got a budget of about Ã‚Â£100.

Thanks

Post by **Patrick** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:16 pm

Welcome to the forum, Ronnoco. Congrats on picking up a Canon 1014 XL-S and Minolta Autopak-8 D6 in pristine condition. This film club you are putting together at your high school sounds like a great idea - will you be incorporating super 8 into it? I know little about the audio side of things but I'm sure other forum members can recommend a good mic for under 10 pounds.

Post by **Daniel** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:24 pm

Hello, welcome to this forum...
Concerning audio here is a reference of mid-priced (around USD 350) shot-gun microphone :

Rode NTG 1
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/ls/SROD0001.html

Audio-Technica - AT897
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/ls/SAUT0060.html

Audio-Technica - AT835B
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/ls/SAUT0003.html

Other mics, but much more expensive here :
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/l ... =9999.html

Daniel

Post by **onsuper8** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:16 pm

I just bought a Rode VideoMic which I use with my DV cam to capture wild sound, its easy to use and gives a good faithful sound. Buy the furry Deadcat cover to go with it as the foam cover is as good as useless. I got the mic for Ã‚Â£60+ from Turnkey...
http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/productAct ... ontext=WEB and the Deadcat from Dolhpin Music...
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop ... ct_id/6779

Post by **ronnoco** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:08 pm

Thanks for the welcome guys and for your advice on mics...

Yup the film club will be exclusively super 8...no video cams allowed :lol:

I have read lots about the Rode mics and they do sound good to me...ideally I would prefer an XLR connector (rather than mini jack) for the Art Promix...I know you can get adapters for any connection (thinking about the Rode video mic here).

I have also read that while shotgun mics are great for outside recording they are often not suitable for inside locations......probably have to buy two

Post by **Daniel** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:40 pm

For indoors, condensers shot gun mics as you mention are not really suited.
The narrow angle of reception of those hyper o super-cardioide microphone can be a problem as they can capt for example, some "distortionated" room-tone or un-wanted sound reflection from the walls... However cardioide condenser microphone or cardioide dynamic mics works very well.

Here is the description of a dynamic mic :

Sennheiser - MD421 II
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/ls/SSEN0029.html

And a double ribbon construction microphone :

Beyer Dynamic M 160
Double ribbon microphone (hypercardioid)
http://www.beyerdynamic.com/cms/Studio_ ... 3a176923df

bye bye and good luck,
Daniel

Post by **Chris Cottrill** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:40 am

Ronnoco:

I am putting an issue of Super 8 Today together in the future that will cover Super-8 and education, and would like to know if you would care to write an article about the club after it gets established and perhaps even include some comments from the students? There would be some compensation for the article plus a free subscription or perhaps something could be arranged to give the students some copies in exchange for the article.

I can best be reached at this email address:
chris@super8today.com

More information on the bi-monthly magazine is at:
http://www.super8today.com

Post by **ronnoco** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:26 pm

Hi Chris

Thank you for inviting me to write an article for your magazine...I would be absolutely delighted to put something together...

The establishment of the club is at a fairly emryonic stage at the moment....but we do have the funding and the interest from the kids....things are moving at a pace though..

Maybe its a good thing we are just getting started as far as an article is concerned....in at the beginning...so to speak..

The school I teach at is in a town called Motherwell which is just south of Glasgow in Scotland. The major employer in the area used to be British Steel at a plant called Ravenscraig. The steel works closed down in the 80's and unemployment rocketed...the area has a lot of social issues as a result...underage drinking...drug abuse...etc.

I would like the kids to explore the kinds of issues that affect their lives outwith school in any films we make, but at the end of the day it will be their choice.

You have already got me thinking about visually recording the progress of the club...I am determined to make it a success and hopefully spark a long term interest in the kids that are getting involved...I will keep you posted...and thanks again for the invitation.

Mike (ronnoco)

Post by **audadvnc** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:04 am

Daniel wrote:For indoors, condensers shot gun mics as you mention are not really suited.
The narrow angle of reception of those hyper o super-cardioide microphone can be a problem as they can capt for example, some "distortionated" room-tone or un-wanted sound reflection from the walls... However cardioide condenser microphone or cardioide dynamic mics works very well.

Here is the description of a dynamic mic :

Sennheiser - MD421 II
http://www.locationsound.com/proaudio/ls/SSEN0029.html

And a double ribbon construction microphone :

Beyer Dynamic M 160
Double ribbon microphone (hypercardioid)
http://www.beyerdynamic.com/cms/Studio_ ... 3a176923df

bye bye and good luck,
Daniel

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Hold on, there. Condensor shotgun mics are the preferred microphones for indoor production recording of onscreen dialog talent. But you need to employ a competent mic boom operator to point it at the talent while keeping the mic & shadows offscreen. The abovementioned MD421 and M160 are fine audio recording mics, but are not as widely used for live dialog recording as shotguns are.

Post by **Daniel** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:25 am

Hello,
I was mentionning super-cardioide and hyper cardioide condenser mikes. Cardioide condenser, I know, works wells with a gound sound-recordist. Super Cardioide may work well also with precision miking, but frankly I would not recommend to use a hyper cardioide condenser for in-door direct sound unless for specific shots may be.

The Beyer M160 may not be used widely, but it works very well for voices. It seems that it do have some wider use in direct sound in France, as told us our sound profesor, when I was at film school.

Regards,
Daniel