Okay, Okey, So S8 Neg is "Sharper" Than K40

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:47 pm

Would Rather Call It Offering Better Resolving Power Due To Its Wider Latitude And Speed Or At Least This Is What It Looks Like When Transferred To MiniDV.

just baffeled by some neg stuff i am examining and to me it looks as if it is "much" sharper (or having better resolving power given the conditions) than K40 - at least when transferred. simply amazing to me. particulary some Vision 1 200T, 250D (PRO8) and Fuji F500(PRO8) that Andreas has transferred for me. all but the 250D is shot with my Canon 310XL 18fps/220Ã‚Â° shutter - the 250 with the 1014 XLS 24fps 150Ã‚Â° shutter

hope to upload some clips in not too long.

next question then: how good are the Andec prints really?

Post by **tlatosmd** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:53 pm

Doesn't count. Who said reversal would be sharper than negative? ;)

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:57 pm

no more than that reversal or k40 has a "hard"er contrast / narrower contrast range yet somewhat better theoretical resolution than most negs so it looks very sharp and the negs wide lattitude makes them less contrasty so they look "softer" or less sharp depending on the eye in charge. ;-)

Post by **mattias** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:54 pm

S8 Booster wrote:no more than that reversal or k40 has [...] somewhat better theoretical resolution than most negs

no, the theoretical/lab measured resolution is actually much lower. you get 50% response at 40 lines/mm with k40 and at 60 with vision 2 200t, and at 80 lines/mm where the kodak charts stop you get a 10% response with k40 and 40% with 200t. and of course this is what we've all seen in our tests as well. the people who still think k40 is the sharpest stock have either never tried negative or they confuse grain structure with sharpness.

/matt

Post by **Angus** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:29 pm

Horses for courses.

On projection K40 beats 'em all.

But K40 is very difficult to telecine, so the 200T will tend to *appear* to hold more detail.

Personally I have never shot a photo (still or moving) with more detail than K25 no matter what film I've used.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:12 pm

mattias:
no disagreement on that. just tried to point out that the absolute max theortical limit for k40 is abt 80lppmm at 20% reponse (or is it 10%?) due to max lab tweak - more or less same as for kodak negs and more or less impossible to acheive under normal shooting conditions so - as you point out - in real life the k40 seems easily beaten by neg. it definately looks like it is.

Angus:
didnt you get some prints from Andec?
what was the film original the prints were nade from? was it neg?

Post by **super8man** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:19 pm

My 8x10 and 5x8 lightning shots (see my website) captured on my Bauer 715XLS were produced by scanning the super 8 strip on a Imacon (made by Hasselblad I believe) and scanned at the highest setting possible (can't remember but 8000dpi sounds about right). It was a dream to be able to correct each pixel of the scene on a G4 and print the final image using the Noritsu machine on chrome paper. It helps having a friend who runs a pro lab!!!

Post by **npcoombs** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:33 pm

after transfer mt 500T looked sharper than my Plus-X 50ASA.

The wider latiutude makes a big difference.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:58 pm

just re-found angusÃ‚Â´original "print" topic:

Just got back my first neg super 8 and print

Post by **T-Scan** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:24 pm

npcoombs wrote:after transfer mt 500T looked sharper than my Plus-X 50ASA.

The wider latiutude makes a big difference.

I have yet to see 500T in S8 get the credit it deserves.

Post by **sooper8fan** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:17 pm

why would somebody even compare K40 and a negative stock? it's pointless.....they're really quite different in what they're capable of doing, right? It seems like nobody can get over the fact that K40 is gone, and it seems like so many people are hoping that some other stock is going to be "The Next K40". Just shoot the other stocks and be happy!

Post by **CToTheH** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:34 pm

k40 is dead....

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:38 pm

I don't consider the current K-40 to be on par with the K-40 from the late 80's and early 90's.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:43 pm

Alex wrote:I don't consider the current K-40 to be on par with the K-40 from the late 80's and early 90's.

possibly i agree on that but the resolving power might not differ.

Post by **tlatosmd** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:47 pm

Booster wrote:"Where There Is Light There Is Vision"
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"Wo Licht, da Sicht"?