NIZO 6080 METER OVERRIDE QUESTION

Post by **JIM DUNN** » Sat May 18, 2002 7:25 am

Just got the camera (from Germany) and wondering if it needs a trip to the shop or if I'm doing something wrong. When I override the onboard meter and set the aperture manually, the setting immediately begins drifting away from my setting. It seems something is not locking in place. So, I'm also wondering if the actual aperture is changing, or if it's just the indicator I see through the viewfinder that is slipping. Of course, a test with film will be definitive, but not quite ready for that yet, and thought someone might be familiar with this anomaly. Thanks, JIM

ah long san · Post by **ah long san** » Sat May 18, 2002 9:15 am

mm.. just wondering, who did you buy this cam from? i hope it's not dr. peters.

Post by **JIM DUNN** » Sat May 18, 2002 12:56 pm

Yes, Dr. Peters/Alex/Ape/super8cams.com. I asked him this same question by email on May 5th, and have yet to receive a reply. There were several irregularities and dissappointments with the transaction and I've given him every benefit of the doubt until now. The camera took over a month to arrive after I paid, and the times when he did reply to my inquiries and suggestions that we put a tracer on the shipment, he seemed upset with me. Also, he sold it to me as (his terms) "new old stock", meaning the highest, best possible "new" condition. He said that a doctor bought it originally, used it once or twice, then put it in a glass case where it's been all this time. It has some scuff marks and certainly appears 'used'. Also, he stated that he had just had the camera gone through, checked out, etc. by a local Nizo professional repair shop, yet the zoom motor whines as if the bearings are dry. Also, a couple accessories that were supposed to be with it weren't.

I followed the thread about him on this board recently and refrained from commenting, as I think I was still in denial of having been taken by someone on the other side of the world, that I was so stupid as to send that much money so far away on blind trust. I still wanted to believe the best about him. Now I just don't know. I just know that he hasn't responded to my question about the camera. Maybe he's too busy. I see that he is buying cameras and related equipment on Ebay still.

gong hi fat choy · Post by **gong hi fat choy** » Sat May 18, 2002 3:29 pm

i have a nizo 801, when i override the meter, by turning the knob anti-clockwise downwards, from auto to manual, the pointer will stay and as you turn further, the pointer will move along the f-scale. i presume the 6080's meter works the same, if not, it's screwed. call dr. peters/alex/brit/ape100/super8cameras/bonanzabike (strange enough, this guy has got a hell lotta positive feedback) and ask for an explanation or refund!

Post by **Old Uncle Barry** » Sat May 18, 2002 5:19 pm

:roll:
I think your camera is in need of a doctor.As with the other respondent,as with my Nizo Special when in manual mode,the meter needle stays exactly where it is put.

Post by **Giovanni** » Sat May 18, 2002 5:20 pm

Super8cams strikes back!!!
That guy must have an inexhaustible mine of broken nizo cameras!
And he's spreading them all over the world!
I can't believe it...

Dear Jim, you'd better look for a good camera repairer.
And everybody, here, should know Mr.Peter's kind attitude to cheat people...

G.

Wyatt · Post by **Wyatt** » Sat May 18, 2002 8:14 pm

Jim, you have a camera with the exact same problem as I do. Yep, I got mine from Dr. Alex Peters in Germany as well. He is also using an alias now with the name Brit and Bonanzabike as another ID I think. I have tried to have it repaired twice with no success. It seems it needs a brand new main board. I have a half dozen e-mails of this guy actually trying to sell me another camera. This was obviously before I knew he had two ID's. Can you believe the nerve of this person? We need to start some kind of protest and get this dishonest flake off of eBay somehow. Does anyone know how this can be achieved?

Post by **paul** » Sat May 18, 2002 10:19 pm

of course you can give severely negative feedback. the only way he can hide that is shading his feedback, but the everybody will know this is a peson not to deal with (I never deal with people with shades). Also give him negative feedback on all the super 8 boards.

Paul

Post by **filmbuff** » Sun May 19, 2002 2:01 am

Just look at http://www.super8cams.com feeback. He is buying Nizo's like crazy. Examples

1349683165 6080 set $267
1350076392 S800 $99
1529219153 801 m $213
1345311160 Professional (+ Bauer) $277
1346279816 6080 set $369
1344791623 801 black $143
1342769216 1048 $43
1343870617 4056 boxed $140
1527408595 S800 $93
1343154126 561 m $98
1088880169 801 m $139

Thats only what he has gotten for feedback with one id for one month. These auctions actually give you a good idea of what you are getting from him. Take auction 1343870617 above which is a 4056 boxed. Now look at 1352507743 where he sold it as NOS (new old stock!) bought for $279

Post by **JIM DUNN** » Sun May 19, 2002 5:18 am

WYATT---Would you mind emailing me off board so that we can compare notes? For instance, I'd like to know what you did to try to fix yours that didn't work, and what you plan to do now. I'm into this pretty deep and don't intend to let it drop. I really appreciate yours and everyone else's input on this....Thanks, JIM

shoot1st · Post by **shoot1st** » Thu Jun 06, 2002 10:44 am

Whilst I am in no way making excuses for Dr Peters it has to be remembered that the mechanical operation of the top range Nizo cameras are totally reliant on a very sophisticated electronic control system. After 25-30 years you would expect components on the PCB to go down, dry joints to develop and, yes, running the 60** and 40** series with 1.5v batteries certainly won't have helped.

I really don't see how these cameras can be offered for sale with a guarantee that they will be 100%, or like new. It's just not feasible, and anyone buying a Nizo from eBay should realise that they are buying As Is (regardless of what the seller says) and not pay fancy prices unless they are offered at the very least a 3 month cast iron money back guarantee if anything should go wrong!

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Jun 06, 2002 11:21 am

Without any intention of offending anybody here it appears that the old Nizos might not be the most reliable cameras around today, possibly depending on many factors like maintenance (lack of) and grade of use but I found this message on the http://www.theasc.com/netforum/opnforum ... -568.1.0.1
(scroll down to the end) apparently stating that the Nizoz might have more troubles than some other old cams.

The e-mail address of the person who posted this is at this message so it mght be possible to contact him for more info on the Nizos since he apparently have some experience with them.

I've avoided the nizo's altogether as they have a reputation for temperament. if you have any other questions, you can contact me at the address listed above. good luck. -ekoe.

Post by **JIM DUNN** » Thu Jun 06, 2002 12:05 pm

Yes, you're right. I do expect componants and connections to deteriorate over time, and maybe I'm a little gullible to believe a man who tells me that he sells hundreds of these cameras a year, then writes,

"The 6080 which comes for 500 usd + shiping (41 usd) is in better cons, than the set on ebay..I would rate the cam NOS..there is even no sign of usage and the cam works also extreme mint...Its such silince unbeliveable. The cam comes DIRECTLY from a shop, which means the cam was bougt at a shop (2 days ago!). They are my favourite source for cams and I buy from them since 5 years! Sure the cam was
checked ...and was rated as mint working. The former owner was a
collector of cams and had the cam in a glas box for over 10 years after he took some rolls of films in the early 80Ã‚Â´s. As mentioned several times, the cam looks such mint i got the impression after the first touch that it was never in use before!"

Seeing the camera, my humble opinion is that it has been used---by children. The man wrote numerous emails to me over the days we were discussing the purchase, assuring me that the camera had just been completely gone through by a professional Braun/Nizo repair specialist at a shop in his own neighborhood, and that all was like new. Then, as soon as he had my money through Paypal, and telling me that he would ship that very day, and to expect it in 10 days or so, he responded only once to my emails over the next month while I waited for the camera to arrive. I won't quote his words here, but suffice it to say that his tone was quite aggrivated. I have written him three times since, careful not to accuse him of fraud or deceit, but to ask for advice or suggestions as to the source of the problem, and he has not responded, as it would mean admitting his crime. So, I have forgiven him for his desparate tactics just as I have forgiven myself for so greedily pursuing such a fantastic pipe dream. And maybe I have tempered my trust in people's claims when the claims begin to sound just a little too good to be true. Now I'm searching for someone to do a an honest repair of the camera for a fair price. And, thank you shoot1st, for commenting.

shoot1st · Post by **shoot1st** » Thu Jun 06, 2002 1:37 pm

I was unable to access the site S8 Booster mentioned, but I've always found the Nizo 60**/40** and Pro series cameras, when up to spec, to be very reliable; certainly on par with the best that Canon, Nikon and Leicina can offer (and I'm not prejudiced - I've worked with a variety of S8 cameras at one time or another over the last thirty years).

My own 6080 was bought about three years ago. Although I've had to do two pcb spot repairs since then, the camera never fails to come up with the goods. I have to say, though, the Nizo Professional is my personal favourite, even though it's a noisy beast compared to the 6080.

Post by **cameraguy** » Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:22 pm

I like to buy from ebay cause if the seller states things like NOS, never used, works like new you can at least put in a claim and get up to $175 from ebay if the camera is no where near the description.

Filmshooting