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What is your WorkPrinter setup like?

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I just posted what I'm about to say under a different topic, but it did get me thinking. How have most of the people on this board who own WorkPrinters setup their system? I want to see pictures people! This is mine:

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I have mounted the WorkPrinter XP to a 4 foot long table with 4 bolts, and I have nuts that allow me to move it up and down until I get the exact height I want. Then I use a two way focusing rail to get the Sony TRV-900 camera in the exact position I want.

I'm using an old dual monitor Dell computer with a Adaptec raid card and two maxtor 200 GB hard drives to store the files (I have two 40 GB western digital drives for my operating system and other stuff). The dual monitor functions so that when video is being played, it runs in fullscreen on one monitor. I use Dotcap to capture the fames and Premiere Pro 1.5 to edit.

I also have a Pioneer 108 Dual Layer DVD Burner and a Sony WV-DR7 dual tape drive to transfer the digital video to DVD, S-VHS, MiniDV, or DVCAM. Both the camera and the tape drive are connected to the computer via firewire.


Man, all that was hard to fit on that little table! If I had not gotten the flat screen monitor I do not know what I would do. Anyway I hope some others here posts pics of their setups and tell me what equipment they use.
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Post by VideoFred »

Hi Konton,

Nice setup! Very clever idea to use a focusing rail system.
I do exactly the same with my Imaging Cam: focusing by
moving the camera, not with the lens.

I'm also thinking to use a second monitor.
Maby I 'm gonna use a normal TV for this, to see how it actualy looks on TV.

I see a big machine on the left side of the picture.
A film cleaning machine or something?

We have a long weekend now, here in Belgium.
I'l be back online next monday.

Fred.
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Hey Fred,

When you get home take a picture and let me see how you are moving the camera!

I actually have a TV behind me in that picture so when transferring the frames I can see the cropping on the TV as well as the full image on the monitor.

The big things behind me is a sound striper and the big thing the monitor is sitting on is a film groover. We all got to have our toys. I just wish I got more use out of the groover and sound striper. But I have a plan to groove undeveloped film to get rid of the edge and lubriciant, then sound striping it. Hey, it might work!
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My workprinterXP is placed upon a 18.5 x 36.5 (47 cm x 14.4 cm )
table top. My camera is placed on a tripod with an adjustable center
column. Your setup is better because the camera is mounted to the
same plane as the Workprinter (leveling) and less susceptible to
movement. My Manfrotto 3130 tripod baseplate moves too easily.

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I capture the video through a firewire connection using Cinecap
(old name Dodcap) to a raid 0 (striped) configuration through an Adaptec
raid card with two ATA 100 connections to two 8MB cache 7200 rpm
80GB Western Digital drives. I monitor the focus and framing through
a 13 inch Broadcast monitor fed by a s video connection from the
camera. I turn off the lights, computer monitors. I leave the broadcast
monitor on with a piece of matte black construction paper taped to the
side in order to reduce any light reflections.

I need to follow the advice that Roger gave about using a cardboard
tube that has been made black on the inside. I also need to place black
material in front of the camera in order to reduce any reflections
directly off the camera.

The most difficult aspect has been getting a rewinder system
where I can deal with cleaning and undwinding 8mm to super 8
reels efficiently. I am using a pair of Ediquip model 1000 16mm
rewinders. I placed the two rewinders 92 cm apart on a piece of
dried plywood to give the cleaner residue time to dry before being
taken up upon a metal reel. I have tried using ECCO VSF299 and
Filmrenew (urbanskifilm.com) I use heavier gloves instead of two
pairs of vinyl gloves to reduce my exposure to the chemicals. I also
run a box fan nearby. I have not been using a large amount of film
renew to try and hide scratches. I have also been thinking about
getting a HEPA air filter system for the transfer room.

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This is a brass 16mm to super 8 converter. It has a square hole and a
pin for the key. There is an allen screw for tightening it onto the spindle.
I usually use a black paper clip instead.

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Another issue I have is with the DV .avi mpeg-2 transcoding time for
my film captures. I am using the Adobe media encoder that comes with
Premiere Pro 1.5 and Encore 1.5. I have been using a 2 pass VBR
with a range of 1.5 Mbs to 8.2 Mbs with a target of 7Mbs. I have an
Athalon XP 3000 (2162 Mhz), 166x2 Mhz processor bus, 512k L2 cache
and 1.5GB of 166x2 Mhz system memory. I am observing times of
about 14 hours for 60 minutes of video. I am reading the video from
the system disk and writing to the raid 0 drives. This site shows that
software transcoders are CPU bound. The frequency of your processor
is the most important variable.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/int ... ndupvideo/
http://videosystems.primediabusiness.co ... _shootout/

Obviously old 8mm and super 8 film transfers are more difficult to
compress due to all of the noise, scratches, and dirt particles. Newer
film should be easier to transfer because of the lack of scratches.

I have been investigating Canopus Procoder as an affordable software solution.
I also have been looking at hardware based encoders. Has
anybody had much experience with the quality of output from the
hardware based encoders? Canopus?

I have a DVD-5 single layer drive. I will be buying a DVD-9 dual layer
drive soon so that I can greater than 2 hours of high quality film transfer.

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Post by super8man »

Wow, 14 hours to transcode an hour of avi to dvd? do i have that right? hmmm...

my home brew system take about far less time to get from avi to mpg - ie: 20 minute videos take about one hour give or take 20 minutes. So, an hour would take about 3 hours give or take. I let it run at night to do this... Then I go from mpg to dvd and it takes about 1/4 of the total dvd time...so a 20 minutes dvd takes about 6 minutes to create at 4X.

PS - I would suggest extending the legs of your tripod to reduce the amount of head extension...it will make the whole rig more stable. You are way to high if the photo is correct. Be sure to use the fattest part of the legs, not the skinny tips of them.
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Post by burchis »

I like the idea of using a two way focusing rail. Where might I find one for my Canon G2 camera?
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My website - check it out...
http://super8man.filmshooting.com/
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Post by T-Scan »

I dug up this old pic of my setup as it sits idle. i have marks on the floor for my tripod/DV, alignment takes no time at all. this is the corner of my livingroom behind the couch. hope to have a spare room for all this someday. PC has 3 120GB serial ATA, 2 of which are RAID for capture and storage. 1.5 gig RAM.


Stoney- where in Portland are ya?

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Post by threeinv »

Nice setups, everybody! I love seeing other people's rigs. I received my WorkPrinter a few weeks ago but haven't had time to set it up yet; I'll try to post a pic when I do. T-Scan, does the SATA Raid0 work for you? I've created one with two 200gig SATA drives, but of course haven't tested it yet. I'll have to do the plastic baggie treatment, too, to fight dust in my house.

Regarding the sliding plate, also check out the following Bogen product:
http://www.adorama.com/BG3419.html?sear ... item_no=18

Although I chose to go the route of tripod-mounting my camera, I thought about this micro-positioning plate for awhile. Admittedly it only gives you forward/backward adjustment of the camera (not left/right), but it could be a component of a homemade sliding rail setup.

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Re: What is your WorkPrinter setup like?

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Konton wrote:I just posted what I'm about to say under a different topic, but it did get me thinking. How have most of the people on this board who own WorkPrinters setup their system? I want to see pictures people! This is mine:
Konton, just looking over your setup - what is the empty bottle behind you? I think it is a bottle. Looks too big to be Mikes Hard Lemonade. Perhaps malt liquor? Single serving vodka?
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Seriously, we got some great rigs out there! Roger, you're gonna have to take some pictures of out setup's off this thread. I just wish some of you would pose with your equipment. Pretend like you're threading the workprinter or centering the camera. Anyway great to know I'm not alone out there sitting in a small room transferring film.

Stoney, I don't think I totally follow you on the whole 14 hours for 60 minutes of video. What kinda camera are you using? For some reason I would think it should take half that time.

I bought this Adorama Focusing Rail for my work. It goes 6 inches back and forth, and side to side.
http://www.adorama.com/MCFRS.html?searc ... &item_no=1
I didn't worry about up and down since I can move my Workprinter only up and down as well as at angles (one corner lower than the others).

Oh yeah, I was drinking Smirnoff Twisted. They taste damn good. I got hooked one day after on a random buy got some cranberry Hard Mike's Lemonade.

I can't wait to see more pics! T-scan, take a new pic of your workprinter in use!
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OT: Changed too many variables, might be my raid array

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Konton and super8man,

OT: skip this to next bold heading
OT: Lengthy transcode times
I changed too many things on my computer to know what is going on.
I think that I might have a problem with my raid array. I had a raid
array error a few days ago after installing a better CPU and power supply.
I rebooted the machine and ignored the error. If I rebuild the array,
I will need to do a backup first. Another sign that it is my array is that
I am getting pulldown again on transfers. The built in disk defragmenting
software is proceeding at snails pace as well for a file system that is 59%
full. (Capacity 149 GB, Free space 62.07 GB)
Thanks for the info about 1/2 time Konton. All of my other machines
are BSD and Linux, so I am not able to run an apples to apples
comparison to see If I am way off. Even if the time is 1/2t
I will need to get another machine or hardware to superscalar my process.

Camera mount
I need to switch to a camera mount like yours. It will be normal to the
same plane as the workprinter. I will have better control over the fine
adjustments, and I will not be so anxious about knocking my camera over.
I have a pd-170 which only has a 12x zoom. I need to be more careful
with the alignment of the camera than a GL2 or XL1S.

Rewinder setup
Are you guys more efficient at cleaning an unwinding 8mm to
super 8, or do you only transfer super 8?

Keeping it clean
I currently use monitor dust cover over the entire workprinter unit.
Do you think a HEPA filter would help much? I still get occasional
particulate. Some of the particulate might be film shavings.


Workprinter lens resolution measurements
Have you tried to measure the resolution of your projector lens
with a resolution test pattern? I have looked for film w/ test patterns,
but I have not been able to find any. I know that I coulld try and find
the specs for the projector lens that I have, or maybe somebody would
make positive print for a fee from another source. Expensive.

I read that the static resolution in TV lines of film is
8mm 250 lines
16mm 500 lines
35mm 2000+ lines
(page 48, Blake Jones et al, Film into Video, A guide to merging
the technologies, 2nd ed. Focal Press 2000)

Roger said that it is slightly higher when you are projecting
it due to the fact that the silver halide crystals are not located
in the same position from frame to frame.

I am more interested about the lens resolution for 16mm film
transfers than for 8mm or super 8 transfers. I still havn't taken
the plastic off of my 16mm workprinter.

Stoney
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Post by ccortez »

stoney --

can't say i'm speaking from experience, as i only recently ordered my workprinter. looking forward to posting pictures...

2 responses to your post:

- canopus procoder is all i use for AVI --> MPG (and various other formats). it's excellent. that said, i wouldn't claim it's *faster*...

- have you run memcheck? the forever wait times to defrag a half-full drive and stuff like that, could be bad memory. these days i always check that early rather than late, b/c i've seen it manifest itself in so many strange and inexplicable ways.

thanks everybody for the awesome details!

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Post by murchmb »

Thanks, Konton, for starting this fantastic thread. I have a WorkPrinter XP on order and I've really been wondering how other WP users have things setup. I've been trying to figure how what kind of setup I'm going to configure and I think this thread will give me some great ideas and insight.
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Stoney,

You may want to try clearing your entire raid so that it is empty. Then a quick defrag (all of two minutes) then try again. Make sure your network connection (if any) is physically unplugged and shut down any programs that may be running: zone alarm, norton, mcaffe, network services, etc.

Then try doing a capture and a pulldown and finally a render to mpg2. I do all of thise before I render the DVD. I know DVD Architect says you can simply go from AVI to dvd but I prefer making the MPG2 directly and then making the DVD from the MPG2 file.

Others:

I was just goofing around but I noticed you can actually pull the ".vob" files into the Vegas timeline a edit off of those. I know its not the best way but once you have run many many thousands of feet, sometimes you really do not want to re-capture if working with the dvd-vob files will give you what you need. Just a thought for those who are really space deprived and need solutions a bit off the wall.

Konton:

I will have to look you up the next time I go to SF (not sure if I will get over there before xmas??) - we'll have a beer or something and figure out a way to totally rule the super 8 world! Of course, I have to check with my wife first to see if I am allowed.
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