as much as i love super 8, what about 16mm?

Post by **mattias** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:06 pm

the arri s takes single perf just fine. it's easily the best basic 16mm camera i've ever used. i didn't know they went for that little now. i'd love to own one. it's very cheap and easy to crystal sync as well because it's built to allow plug and play changing of motors. only drawback is the viewfinder which is non orientable and very dark when you stop down.

/matt

Post by **sk360** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:16 am

mattias wrote:
the arri s takes single perf just fine. it's easily the best basic 16mm camera i've ever used. i didn't know they went for that little now. I'd love to own one

One of the best places to find gear is on Craigslist. I've seen about five Arri S's being sold for that price over the last two years and one time saw a package going for $1000! Mind you, it's not as regulated and secure as Ebay and it is better if the seller is living in your city, but you can get some amazingly good deals if your patient and constanly look around ( it also helps if your good at haggling for a new price). I picked up my EBM for $500 on Craigslist. Infact, I almost bought a Hasselblad HD 1 with two lens for $2k not to long ago.

Post by **wado1942** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:23 am

I think it's double or single perf. But eh, it's a really loud camera IMHO.

Post by **mattias** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:38 pm

wado1942 wrote:it's a really loud camera IMHO.

extremely so but so are the other ones we've discussed. You're not going to be shooting much sync sound with a bolex or k3 either. You have to ask yourself whether you want a fantastic camera that's loud or a mediocer one that's just noisy. :-) /matt

Website · Post by **BigBeaner** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:58 pm

As stated many times, this is the camera Robert Rodrieguz borrowed to make "El Marachi".

Post by **reflex** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:02 pm

BigBeaner wrote:As stated many times, this is the camera Robert Rodrieguz borrowed to make "El Marachi".

And as stated many times, it is the filmmaker - not the equipment - that makes magic. He could quite easily have used one of a dozen cameras to make the same film. ;)

Post by **mattias** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:46 pm

Well, very few in that price range take 400' rolls, usually come with good glass, are as reliable, and have variable speed motors, all of which he needed. :-) /matt

Post by **MovieStuff** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:49 pm

mattias wrote:Well, very few in that price range take 400' rolls, usually come with good glass, are as reliable, and have variable speed motors, all of which he needed. /matt

Didn't he also shoot parts of the film with a Bolex?

Roger

Post by **Actor** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:08 pm

MovieStuff wrote:
mattias wrote:Well, very few in that price range take 400' rolls, usually come with good glass, are as reliable, and have variable speed motors, all of which he needed. /matt
Didn't he also shoot parts of the film with a Bolex?

Roger

According to Rebel Without a Crew the entire project was shot with the Arri. He shot 25 400' mags and one 100' daylight load of B&W to test the camera.

Peter Jackson shot his first feature, Bad Taste, with a wind up Bolex, no take greater than 30 seconds and most about 20. Compared to Jackson, Rodriguez did it the easy way.

I'd love to shoot a feature in R8 using my wind up Canon Reflex Zoom 8-3 but I doubt I'd have the patience. :twisted:

Post by **MovieStuff** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:38 pm

Actor wrote:[According to Rebel Without a Crew. The entire project was shot with the Arri. He shot 25 400' mags and one 100' daylight load of B&W to test the camera.

That's interesting because I swear I have an article with a publicity shot of him using a Bolex while shooting footage for El Mariachi. He was next to a car and there was a guy with a shotgun or something, I believe. The article even mentioned that he shot with a wind up Bolex. Hmmmm. I'll see if I can track that down.....

Actor wrote:Peter Jackson shot his first feature, Bad Taste, with a wind up Bolex, no take greater than 30 seconds and most about 20.

Jackson should go back to his wind up Bolex. Then maybe his films would be less bloated and more to the point. Snoooooze......

Roger

Post by **reflex** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:53 pm

mattias wrote:Well, very few in that price range take 400' rolls, usually come with good glass, are as reliable, and have variable speed motors, all of which he needed. /matt

My point was simply that offering a Steinway to a passer-by will not result in great music. On the other hand, a decent musician can make somewhat credible music with a toy piano.

Website · Post by **BigBeaner** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:26 am

Maybe you mistaken the bolex for the arri because of the turret lens, I watched his making of and definitely used only an arri that he borrowed from somebody.

Post by **Patrick** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:12 am

I don't think anyone could mistake an Arriflex for a Bolex, regardless of the turret!

Post by **marc** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:58 am

I read his book and I can definitely tell you that everything was done on that Arri.

Post by **marc** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:01 am

Actor wrote: I'd love to shoot a feature in R8 using my wind up Canon Reflex Zoom 8-3 but I doubt I'd have the patience. :twisted:

Would the spring motor last for a feature length film? I would imagine that as your production progresses, with all of those takes, the motor would start getting fatigued, slow down and possibly break.